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child he took her every xh.ere with her- Kiss LLC. says that John Fox,jr. was much

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time there was a halt in the chase her father would call in his sweet way:"Daughter,

dg‘aughter, where are you”; and then would appear to look over her horses girths.
(I wish you could have heard her imitiation of him) . John Fox had brought with him
an artist named Max Klepper; and-every-time who had some trouble keeping up; and
everytime that Captain Hathaway would call "0 daughter", John Fox would call loudly
with much English assent,”0 Kleppah; O Kleppah!

Miss H. doesnt think much of stationary hunting as she calls it. I asked her
if the women evervaent on that kind of a hunt and she said that she had never heard
of it. She said that it seemed to be, however,in spite of the strenuousness of it,

an older mans sport- that few young men ever came on the hunts.

There was an Old farmer at one of the hunts who refused to mount and follow

saying that he was "goin' from pint to pint" and watch, The second<§iy out "Uncle!

Sam failed ’60 appears £00,..teke, sip. hi$.,p.errierinatioha '

" well, said one of my friends, ”He said he was goin' from pint to pint, but I

fear he has gone from pint to quart."

Captain Hathaway , besides aka - always taking Miss Carrie Lee with him

would very often take several of her friends along too. As there were few rooms, they

were that
weuid all pretty much crowded up together, and you can imagine how they hated-iﬁbii"

icy ffﬂﬂ¢¥ arising before day light, which was necessary since they is had about

ten miles to ride to the casting ground usually.

Early-in-the- Before daylight her father would come 0t their door and
say so cheerily, "Daughter", and to the disgust of her friends she always tried to
answer as cheerfully as he called, and then take up the great takk of getting the
other Kentucky girls up and ready.

One morning they rode to a beautiful little river which had to be
forded. The water had a skim of ice on it, the weeds by the edge were inches thick
with white frost, and the sloping fields looked like jewels in the early morning light;
I was so carried away with the beauty of it that I turned to one sleepy friend and
exclaimed "0 Betty, now dont you think its worth getting up to see?”

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are alive. But I have made it somewhat impersonal, and you could make it more so.)

During one of the years that General Roger Williams was president of the
National, he received a letter from a lady in Alabama, saying that she wanted to
come up for the field trials if his wife would chaperone her, if she could get
mounts, and this and that. The general was terribly excited and talked of little

V else but the lovely young lady that was going to come, and of how fine it would be to

have her. Mrs. Williams read the letter, and sand that knowing Roger's succeptability
she would most certainly be glad to chaperone the yOung lady.As Miss CZL. was
getting off the train, however at the statioj at which the meet was taking place,

she ran into Mrs. Williams waiting for the Lexington train.

”But Mrs, Williams, arent you going to stay to chaperone the young ladyfl asked.

"No,my dear. I’ve seen her; and Roger can chaperone her himself."

The charming young lady proved to be an unatractive female of about fifty who
was very little of a horse woman, out was eager for the attentions of Kentucxy gentlemen
and how unmercifully the other men did tease the General about her.5he nearly drove the

men wild,too; the few young women who were in the habit of going on the hunts rode

quite well, and the men had been in the habit of looking out for them,with little
interference,however, to their sport. Not so this lady: everyday some poor man would

find himself far behind the field and probably his favorite hounds, trying gallantly

to protect this female.Colonel Jack Chinn found himself so situated one day and stood

it as lonf as he possibly could,ubtil he flung gallantry to the winds and his horse to

the front of the chaseﬁ leaving the poor lady. She was furious, and said cutting

things about Kentucky ”gentlemen”and their mistaken reputation for fine manners. Col.
Chinn took me aside and confessed to having left her,ending with these words,"She is

a most charming young lady, my dear, but I am a GRANDFATHER".
Once when they had got down ta warm themselves abouqa fire the wait ﬁor the

hounds to pick up the new scent was intollerably long. Everyone was desperate to be off;

and when the signal came, they literally threw themselves on their horses.Alas,it was

found that the Alabama female was as yet on the ground; and one man quickly dismounted

as the others moved off, and offered his hand for her to mount put her foot in to

mount. The field was disappearing in the distance, but the lady drew herself up

with extreme hauteur and exclaimed, "Sir, no man has ever touched my foot".

My-€§§,them lady,"exclaimed the frenzied hunter“climb up my bio BACKé ‘

She was awfully fond of the old Colonel(Chinn) and said so many times;

and repeated the things the coronel had said of his hard times in earxy life and

his own pretty crude ways.-Of course you wont use that.) She said that Jack-Shi-

Phill Chinn had been so rotten later on tn life; but she rememvereu a very fine thing
when he was young.

that he had done on one h unt/I think it was in the westernpart of the state, but at

any rate, some one,no one knew who,had let into the hunt a little country girl of about

twelve years, who, when the horses got going well in the hunt, was unable to hold

here at all, and was simplu paralyzed and wild with fear. Phil Chinn had fine hounds in t
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the hunt in which he was much interested. But‘he took the leash of one of his hounds
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tied it to the childsggbridle, dropped back of the field, and took care of the child
during the whole day.’

There is onebicture of Mr. Wooldridge among a group of other87really
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it is t°° funny, and I eﬁess you have it. It was about that hime that he had a hound i '

entered called Tar Baby; and as "Sam" was so much younger than most of the men, and iﬂ"
of such a dark coloring, tilt-he was known everywhere as "TarBaby". She gave an ‘
amusing imitation of "Sam" under the infloonce of three days of likker, and his 3
effusive apoligies for something that he hadnt done,the speech starting ,"Ledees

~agel’etntlemen-u-

Times must have changed- she was presented with the only brush of the meet,
and it has a QBQy‘That res '1inds me-

and the only one she ever saw at the kill,

She said her is ler res in prison (One of mergehs Lon}. ith
gambler, who swore that he hzml never he 951d 2 chapter of the T‘l -. * it
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were reds”. And when t it he Enid tut every red fox has a black

mark at the roots of his tail the the fire brands were tied....

At one meet a stranger from.out of the state was grumbling about the

‘liuMbloﬂ"‘8 d like to klOU hon they expected to have any sport-no decent hunters that

could go a y there to be bought or rented- they didnt ICHOW ho; to have a res l hunt,

etc. etc. until Col. Jack Chinn gota trifle worked up.He told the man that as his
uon wouldnt be there the next dky that he could use his horse if he cared to and

t. at he might be able to geta alettle better ride.
The Colonels horse and the one he had lent the man hhd hunted to-gether;

always, and on this day especially, When they were mounted the Colonel simply cut loose

and WENT.:over stone walls, through bushes, and over the worst country you can
'magine. At last they came to a stone well, beyond which was a lone tree on a ledge.
"D ont take that jume screamed the now-desperate stranger.

"yes I will, said the c olonel‘,‘ And you will too."
"Oh no I wont" shrheked the man.

But the Colonel knew his horses, and said grimly, ”Oh yes I think you will."

Over went the colonels horse as neatly as could be wanted and lit on the lei?a
but the man was so badly off that he was glad to be riding the- his mounts neck as
he took the bit and the fence and zztlanded the unwilling man on the far side of the
fence. When they got back to Eggnhdtﬁh;hﬁhe subdued stranger went from group to group
messes?“ .

telling them that that colonel Chinn was 'ust crazy.
”No, I'm not,"said the Colone when he heard it, "And d nt you ever day

that we have no mounts here in Kentuoky."

She says the Colonel was willing to risk his neck any time in order to

have his joke.

I dontknow whether you on y- polish these up and change them e,out

enough to do any good, but if you care to, I hope you will.If you want me to
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heve the old horn and its funny hiotureslphotoed, I will- they are treasures.

And I have a good picture of the CaptaineHathawey- who seems to have always worn

kid gloves, and yet hunted with the roughest as well as with his own kind. They

never epused in the chase that he didnt cell to his daughter to find where she was,

land to dismoUnt and eXamine her girths and thoze of her friends. They onCe rode to
Kaaturel Bridbe before it could be reached by rail, stopping in the homes of the mountaiy,

people. Miss Carrie Lee spends her time now in painting, and writes amusing verse
for her freends- very deaf and absent minded‘ H ;.V : ' u ,

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Extract from an article in Coach and Saddle, Dec 1900.:

" A score or more ladies were present, and always well up in the first
flight on their thoroughh'eds.

Colonel Roger Williams of Lexington presented the brush to Miss Caroline
Leland Hathaway of Winchester, Ky. who has never missed a meet of the association

in years and is one of the hardiest as well as one of the best horsewomen in Ky.

Extract from Courier-Journal of Nov.26, 1899.

Among the ladies who rode to hounds were among many of the erpresentative

of the most wealthy and aristocratic families in Kentucky. There was not a lady rider

present from any other state. Mr. Lister Witherspoon and Miss Ellen, his daughter, of

Versailles, Mr. W L.Graddy and wife of Versailles, Capﬁain Leland Hathaway and daughter
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of Winchester, Miss ?earl Trigg of Glasgow, Senator/Bennett of Richmond and his neice,

' Miss Laura Bennett, Miss Theodosia Nelson of Winchester,.and ...and many women of Irvine
and Estill counties. ( (That meet must have been at Estill Springs) In that smaé
paper I was amused to note that a New Englander was making a speech in favor of having

some of the Nationql meets somewhere else than in Ky. so that national interest might

spread more quickly; and he spoke of the fact that there was actually a growing interest

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in fox hunting in New England. J?

Also in this same paper is the following:

‘The Walkers are probably the most noted fox hunters in Ky. excepting Col.Triggﬂ

of Glasgow and Capt. Leland Hathaway of Winchester. Col. Trigg's illness preventing his: H

attending the meet he requested his daughter Miss Pearl to weer his hunting hat which
has not missed a hunt of any importance in this state in 39 years. Miss fearl adorned 4

the hat with ehr fathers many medals and ribbons and wore the hat on the opening day inE

obedience to her father's request. Miss Trigg is an excellent horsewoman and never mie

an opportunity to follow the hounds. _
Another enthusiastic rider is Mi 8 C. L H of Winchester, who,

with her father ,is invariably the first into the'chase and the last to give it up.

woman rider ,
She is probably the most expert hereeweman in Ky. No fence is too high,no-gulley too

wide for her when in hot pursdit,. She assisted her Esther as master of hounds after th,

first day of the meet.

(By the wayzhancy Didlake te ls me that Miss Carrie Lee, who was indded

a fine rider, could never drive a horse-simply a iailure at it. Absent minded I

suppose.)

A typical Southern remark:she said she didnt remember when she began riding,

but she remembers shoe that once when she was seven her girth slipped and she went
under the horse, and the reason that she remembers that was because she had stopped
by one of the negro cabins on the place and had a two-year-old pickaniny in her lap,

and two slightly older ones on behind...

At one meet, as they were all looking at the hounds, some one turned to her
and said jestingly,"Miss Carrie Lee, where are your hounds?"
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"They're all in the Land of Promisez‘shg said ."Do you know that every

year since I have been coming here the men have been promising me some hounds, and

I have never gotten one of them".

To her horror and amazement, when she got home from the meet she found

six little pups awaiting her.